1 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:33,035 Look inside the lens. 2 00:02:33,035 --> 00:02:39,008 See, I'm seeing your fingers 3 00:02:39,008 --> 00:02:42,445 To see inside the lens, I have to get closer. 4 00:02:42,445 --> 00:02:46,816 Yes, in the direction of the look. Get closer. 5 00:02:46,816 --> 00:02:49,250 It's hard to follow the direction from my sight... 6 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:52,755 because my eyes dance. 7 00:02:52,755 --> 00:02:54,990 I'll try to look, did you see? 8 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:58,827 If I looked this way, like this. 9 00:02:58,827 --> 00:03:03,165 I'm seeing the girl there. 10 00:03:03,165 --> 00:03:06,735 One of the eyes looks there, and the other in another sense. 11 00:03:06,735 --> 00:03:10,804 I can see her, if she moves. I can see everything, I see everything. 12 00:03:10,804 --> 00:03:13,204 What a good view! I am seeing ede just once. 13 00:03:54,012 --> 00:03:55,913 There are angels of light... 14 00:03:55,913 --> 00:03:59,116 who are the intermediaries between the visible and the invisible. 15 00:03:59,116 --> 00:04:01,919 I generally light candles to pray... 16 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:03,385 to the angels, who are the intermediaries. 17 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,415 It is necessary to believe in Angels, I believe in them. 18 00:04:25,942 --> 00:04:28,343 but we we don't have eyes... 19 00:04:28,343 --> 00:04:30,913 like eagles, or the hawks. 20 00:04:30,913 --> 00:04:35,084 We live within possibility to see, it is ours. 21 00:04:35,084 --> 00:04:41,189 In the event that our view be normal. 22 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:45,560 We don't even see more, no less. 23 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,829 To show this, I say... 24 00:04:48,829 --> 00:04:52,668 yes Romeo, the one from the story, there would be... 25 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:54,794 had the eyes of a falcon... 26 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:59,668 surely there would not have been in love with Juliet... 27 00:05:01,142 --> 00:05:03,975 because his eyes they would see a skin... 28 00:05:07,514 --> 00:05:13,085 unpleasant skin to see 29 00:05:13,085 --> 00:05:18,590 Because the sharpness of the falcon eyes... 30 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:23,295 does not show human skin as we see it. 31 00:05:23,295 --> 00:05:25,363 There is no real objectivity... 32 00:05:25,363 --> 00:05:26,731 It's always a point of view... 33 00:05:26,731 --> 00:05:29,001 always a look conditioned. 34 00:05:29,001 --> 00:05:31,736 The human being sees the world in a way... 35 00:05:31,736 --> 00:05:33,405 the animals of another. 36 00:05:33,405 --> 00:05:35,573 We have the illusion that dogs... 37 00:05:35,573 --> 00:05:37,442 The movies show to the dogs... 38 00:05:37,442 --> 00:05:40,745 as if they saw the same that we but no. 39 00:05:40,745 --> 00:05:44,749 Each looking experience is a limit. 40 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:47,252 We don't know things, how are they... 41 00:05:47,252 --> 00:05:50,821 but through our experience. 42 00:05:50,821 --> 00:05:56,827 Yes I believe that God made my eyes... 43 00:05:56,827 --> 00:06:01,265 to see the reality, as it is, magnificent! 44 00:06:01,265 --> 00:06:02,865 But as we know it's not like that... 45 00:06:02,865 --> 00:06:05,095 it's not worth losing the time on that. 46 00:06:27,255 --> 00:06:29,951 So now let's go to find Gabriel. 47 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,376 If the eye It is the window to the soul... 48 00:06:50,376 --> 00:06:55,581 then you have to look for the window with the other eye. 49 00:06:55,581 --> 00:06:57,606 And that eye is also the window of the soul... 50 00:06:58,451 --> 00:07:02,422 and there you have to look for that window with the other eye... 51 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:06,692 "and what You see, it's the eye through her." 52 00:07:06,692 --> 00:07:10,530 In a certain sense it is a very complicated metaphor... 53 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:15,132 and does not solve the real problem... 54 00:07:15,132 --> 00:07:17,336 to explain what It's the vision... 55 00:07:17,336 --> 00:07:20,604 because you would go to infinity... 56 00:07:20,604 --> 00:07:22,907 with that story from the window of the soul... 57 00:07:22,907 --> 00:07:28,106 and you would never really get there to one's own soul. 58 00:07:46,296 --> 00:07:52,067 Fortunately, I believe that most see with their ears... 59 00:07:52,067 --> 00:07:55,571 hear and see with the brain, the stomach, the soul... 60 00:07:55,571 --> 00:08:01,373 and we live in the world of the blind. 61 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:11,986 Those images on television... 62 00:08:11,986 --> 00:08:14,156 ready images. 63 00:08:14,156 --> 00:08:20,194 We are unable to see... 64 00:08:20,194 --> 00:08:26,400 we don't have more the inner look 65 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,003 there is a blindness widespread. 66 00:08:30,003 --> 00:08:33,874 For example, I watch television without looking at her. 67 00:08:33,874 --> 00:08:38,544 It's always the same, not precise look to find out what's happening. 68 00:08:38,544 --> 00:08:40,780 If I call someone to ask him, he says: 69 00:08:40,780 --> 00:08:43,374 "You're right about what happens." 70 00:08:47,953 --> 00:08:51,089 He became blind after two accidents. 71 00:08:51,089 --> 00:08:54,760 It was in the War, I was first blind in the left eye... 72 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,830 then it was the right, a mine exploded. 73 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:00,866 I'm really a victim of the war... 74 00:09:00,866 --> 00:09:02,492 but it was after the war. 75 00:09:11,975 --> 00:09:16,848 I took my first photo when I was blind, at school. 76 00:09:16,848 --> 00:09:22,152 My sister bought a Zorc 6, a Russian camera, and he gave it to me. 77 00:09:22,152 --> 00:09:25,555 I took photos of some friends at school... 78 00:09:25,555 --> 00:09:30,093 but with a movie quite old. 79 00:09:30,093 --> 00:09:36,132 It was a miracle to see images. It was surprising. 80 00:09:36,132 --> 00:09:39,066 I couldn't see the images, but he had done them. 81 00:09:40,136 --> 00:09:44,539 I am 40 centimeters away of the machine focus. 82 00:09:44,539 --> 00:09:49,010 Wait. I'm going to measure. 83 00:09:49,010 --> 00:09:51,605 Where are you? 84 00:09:53,181 --> 00:09:58,285 Wait, I must confirm the distance. 85 00:09:58,285 --> 00:10:00,549 This is perfect. 86 00:10:06,192 --> 00:10:08,962 This is my niece Veronica, that I photographed... 87 00:10:08,962 --> 00:10:11,431 once in the field. 88 00:10:11,431 --> 00:10:13,834 I asked him to run and dance... 89 00:10:13,834 --> 00:10:17,270 with some bells that she used and I heard then... 90 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:20,007 I took photos of the bell, but that can't be seen... 91 00:10:20,007 --> 00:10:22,668 It is a photo of the invisible. 92 00:10:30,048 --> 00:10:32,418 Sometimes I hear a person... 93 00:10:32,418 --> 00:10:34,419 and I turn the camera in your direction... 94 00:10:34,419 --> 00:10:37,624 or someone tells me, or are the books. 95 00:10:37,624 --> 00:10:41,058 Sometimes it's my heart, I fall in love with a landscape... 96 00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:45,730 or a woman, and I turn it mortal. 97 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:48,966 I take biblical photos, I do female nudes... 98 00:10:48,966 --> 00:10:50,434 for biblical reasons. 99 00:10:50,434 --> 00:10:54,071 Adam and Eve understood that they were half naked... 100 00:10:54,071 --> 00:10:56,341 and that's why they turned mortals. 101 00:10:56,341 --> 00:10:58,276 So I photograph female mortality. 102 00:10:58,276 --> 00:11:00,278 It's so tragic as beautiful 103 00:11:00,278 --> 00:11:02,679 must be captured female mortality... 104 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,616 to love them more in life, in the moment, in time. 105 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:18,427 I remember when I was young, I asked the others; 106 00:11:18,427 --> 00:11:20,296 "Have you seen that one pretty girl?" 107 00:11:20,296 --> 00:11:22,163 And love fell for a girl... 108 00:11:22,163 --> 00:11:24,233 that they liked more than me. 109 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:28,236 Now, I prefer to look directly. That's important... 110 00:11:28,236 --> 00:11:30,738 should not be spoken language of others. 111 00:11:30,738 --> 00:11:32,373 If you use your gaze of the others... 112 00:11:32,373 --> 00:11:35,311 It is because you exist through of the others. 113 00:11:35,311 --> 00:11:38,913 you have to try to live for yourself. 114 00:11:38,913 --> 00:11:43,373 Is there any other man attractive besides me? 115 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:47,114 No, no way, there is none. 116 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:52,026 I have another question. I hope you're not sad. 117 00:11:52,026 --> 00:11:55,062 Because I can't see you physically 118 00:11:55,062 --> 00:12:00,234 only with the third eye. I have a little mirror here. 119 00:12:00,234 --> 00:12:02,101 That way you can see yourself. 120 00:12:02,101 --> 00:12:06,605 The absence will be frustrating of the look? 121 00:12:06,605 --> 00:12:10,243 - Can you see? - Yes, everything. 122 00:12:10,243 --> 00:12:12,005 - Do you need to see yourself? - No. 123 00:13:58,378 --> 00:14:03,514 "You never discover yourself, for example... 124 00:14:03,514 --> 00:14:05,650 thinking out of focus? 125 00:14:05,650 --> 00:14:08,319 You think you think correctly... 126 00:14:08,319 --> 00:14:10,588 somehow. Sometimes you think better... 127 00:14:10,588 --> 00:14:14,758 other times, you are in doubt, problems, insecurities... 128 00:14:14,758 --> 00:14:16,528 but the idea of the outside focus... 129 00:14:16,528 --> 00:14:20,831 in our visual world, It's very serious. 130 00:14:20,831 --> 00:14:22,500 I can't think of myself out of focus... 131 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:28,132 that would be if the world were out of focus, or me? 132 00:14:41,751 --> 00:14:45,121 The great experience I had at the moment... 133 00:14:45,121 --> 00:14:48,723 that I put on glasses for first time... 134 00:14:48,723 --> 00:14:52,895 was to notice the amount of details that are seen... 135 00:14:52,895 --> 00:14:55,063 and that I didn't see before to wear glasses. 136 00:14:55,063 --> 00:14:59,067 One thing that seemed to me wonderful... 137 00:14:59,067 --> 00:15:03,606 was to see that the trees They were multiple. 138 00:15:03,606 --> 00:15:08,476 I always knew intellectually that the cup... 139 00:15:08,476 --> 00:15:10,512 of the trees was composed by leaves... 140 00:15:10,512 --> 00:15:12,379 but I only saw that mass. 141 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:14,481 When I got high glasses and vision... 142 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:17,984 what could I notice the multiplicity... 143 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:21,789 with which a tree It is composed... 144 00:15:21,789 --> 00:15:23,990 It was a discovery wonderful. 145 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:28,361 I can't be on stage without glasses or contact lenses. 146 00:15:28,361 --> 00:15:32,331 I have to see the others actors, look into their eyes. 147 00:15:32,331 --> 00:15:34,266 I don't hear very well. 148 00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:37,971 If I'm on scene and I drop a lens... 149 00:15:37,971 --> 00:15:40,506 It's already happened to me several times... 150 00:15:40,506 --> 00:15:45,444 it gives me an imbalance immediate emotional 151 00:15:45,444 --> 00:15:49,215 Not seeing my colleague on stage, It's death for me. 152 00:15:49,215 --> 00:15:52,583 I feed on the look of the other. 153 00:15:52,583 --> 00:15:56,918 Even though I'm hearing it, I have to see the other person. 154 00:15:58,355 --> 00:16:04,127 Mirrors don't really form much of my life. 155 00:16:04,127 --> 00:16:07,164 If you ask me If I look in the mirror... 156 00:16:07,164 --> 00:16:10,291 yes I liked glasses looking in the mirror... 157 00:16:11,301 --> 00:16:17,541 I think it is a passage, I would say a lump passing. 158 00:16:17,541 --> 00:16:21,411 I don't pay much attention. 159 00:16:21,411 --> 00:16:23,848 And then, to see something in the mirror... 160 00:16:23,848 --> 00:16:26,683 I have to be stuck here... 161 00:16:26,683 --> 00:16:32,588 then my double is very close, It's never a double away. 162 00:16:32,588 --> 00:16:34,216 There is never enough space. 163 00:16:37,593 --> 00:16:40,128 - You are you seeing me? - More or less. 164 00:16:40,128 --> 00:16:43,664 - Where are your glasses? - At home, stored. 165 00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:46,467 - Why aren't you using them? - I'm ashamed. 166 00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:48,102 - What? - Shame. 167 00:16:48,102 --> 00:16:50,238 I remember, it's a thing fear. 168 00:16:50,238 --> 00:16:54,541 It's the question of the look from the other person... 169 00:16:54,541 --> 00:16:57,612 to think that I'm watching when I'm not... 170 00:16:57,612 --> 00:17:00,681 I had that fear. 171 00:17:00,681 --> 00:17:02,550 There was one thing that I couldn't explain... 172 00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:04,218 what was that fear... 173 00:17:04,218 --> 00:17:07,219 and when it should be using the glasses... 174 00:17:07,219 --> 00:17:09,390 The truth is, I didn't have the glasses for that. 175 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:13,292 Shame is a form of fear... 176 00:17:13,292 --> 00:17:18,525 shame of wearing glasses... 177 00:17:19,766 --> 00:17:25,604 the presence of fear, It is a more diffuse thing. 178 00:17:25,604 --> 00:17:29,240 If I wanted a picture for that feeling... 179 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,509 It's like it's a teenager, like on TV... 180 00:17:31,509 --> 00:17:37,349 with a squared face, made with computer graphics. 181 00:17:37,349 --> 00:17:39,551 I think it's exactly... 182 00:17:39,551 --> 00:17:45,217 the image itself that feeling. 183 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:52,162 I think you are more aware of framing. 184 00:17:52,162 --> 00:17:54,799 When I was thirty years old... 185 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:57,601 I tried to wear glasses contact. 186 00:17:57,601 --> 00:18:00,571 But when I was with the glasses... 187 00:18:00,571 --> 00:18:03,407 was always looking for the glasses. 188 00:18:03,407 --> 00:18:06,909 I saw well with the glasses... 189 00:18:06,909 --> 00:18:09,308 but I needed it the framing. 190 00:18:12,081 --> 00:18:16,618 I believe your vision It is more selective... 191 00:18:16,618 --> 00:18:18,387 and you have more awareness... 192 00:18:18,387 --> 00:18:19,988 than what you really see. 193 00:18:19,988 --> 00:18:24,427 When I don't have the glasses, I feel like I see too much... 194 00:18:24,427 --> 00:18:28,863 and I don't want to see so much, I want to see with restriction... 195 00:18:28,863 --> 00:18:30,558 more framed. 196 00:18:58,859 --> 00:19:04,063 That experience It was quite painful... 197 00:19:04,063 --> 00:19:06,165 but very enriching... 198 00:19:06,165 --> 00:19:10,169 leads to subjectivity, makes us think... 199 00:19:10,169 --> 00:19:13,738 many things that normally We don't think. 200 00:19:13,738 --> 00:19:16,508 Today, I see her as a good experience... 201 00:19:16,508 --> 00:19:20,579 even though in that moment, it seemed bad to me. 202 00:19:20,579 --> 00:19:25,516 In relationships, We are very subjective. 203 00:19:25,516 --> 00:19:27,418 When we share only the superficial... 204 00:19:27,418 --> 00:19:28,419 everything is calm. 205 00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:31,354 With knowledge they begin the unpleasant things. 206 00:19:31,354 --> 00:19:33,658 Discomfort makes us think... 207 00:19:33,658 --> 00:19:37,628 look for other things, then. 208 00:19:37,628 --> 00:19:43,362 No, I never I was very worried, no. 209 00:19:44,702 --> 00:19:47,737 The only thing to that I always refused... 210 00:19:47,737 --> 00:19:50,573 and what happened to me very rarely... 211 00:19:50,573 --> 00:19:54,443 it was that women asked me take off my glasses... 212 00:19:54,443 --> 00:19:57,613 and I refused. 213 00:19:57,613 --> 00:20:00,046 Very few asked me for that. 214 00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:03,652 Few bedfellows... 215 00:20:03,652 --> 00:20:06,020 they asked me to leave the glasses. 216 00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:08,990 They seemed kind of abnormal to me, when they asked me... 217 00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:12,094 but I did not give in, I didn't take them off. 218 00:20:12,094 --> 00:20:14,220 Generally I didn't do it. 219 00:20:15,629 --> 00:20:19,567 I saw the world first through cinema. 220 00:20:21,035 --> 00:20:25,707 I met the world later, of cinema. 221 00:20:25,707 --> 00:20:31,179 I began to feel the problem of the vision, going to the cinema. 222 00:20:31,179 --> 00:20:36,849 I couldn't see the cinema in focus. 223 00:20:36,849 --> 00:20:40,619 That caught my attention. 224 00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:43,756 Until then, he saw well. 225 00:20:43,756 --> 00:20:48,594 But at a certain point, I started not seeing well. 226 00:20:48,594 --> 00:20:52,465 It wasn't real life what caught my attention... 227 00:20:52,465 --> 00:20:54,329 It was the cinema. 228 00:21:06,611 --> 00:21:08,646 The men who wear glasses... 229 00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,682 They are much gentler, sweet and helpless. 230 00:21:10,682 --> 00:21:12,308 Did you never notice? 231 00:21:16,954 --> 00:21:21,258 The act of seeing, of looking... 232 00:21:21,258 --> 00:21:25,194 not just to see out there... 233 00:21:25,194 --> 00:21:30,432 not only see the visible, also see the invisible. 234 00:21:30,432 --> 00:21:34,460 That's what we call imagination. 235 00:21:43,346 --> 00:21:46,282 When I was little, the most I liked it in the books... 236 00:21:46,282 --> 00:21:51,754 It wasn't what I really was in them... 237 00:21:51,754 --> 00:21:54,289 but what I added to it. 238 00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:56,658 It was this, what made the story happened. 239 00:21:56,658 --> 00:21:59,827 When we are children, we can really read between the lines. 240 00:21:59,827 --> 00:22:02,230 And add things with the imagination 241 00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:07,201 Our imagination... 242 00:22:07,201 --> 00:22:11,660 complete the words. 243 00:22:12,772 --> 00:22:16,341 I wanted to read between the lines... 244 00:22:16,341 --> 00:22:17,911 and at that time that was possible. 245 00:22:17,911 --> 00:22:19,547 In cowboy movies by John Ford... 246 00:22:19,547 --> 00:22:21,614 we could read between images. 247 00:22:21,614 --> 00:22:24,751 There was so much space in each plane... 248 00:22:24,751 --> 00:22:28,221 that we could project inside. 249 00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:31,691 Today the movies are completely closed. 250 00:22:31,691 --> 00:22:34,959 Between walls, there is no space to dream within them. 251 00:22:34,959 --> 00:22:40,464 Most of the movies, leaves no space. 252 00:22:40,464 --> 00:22:41,900 "We see what is there"; 253 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:45,630 we do not imagine ourselves inside They are ready. 254 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,984 I am very dominated by Primitive things, you know? 255 00:22:59,984 --> 00:23:03,955 I think that's what sends in my soul... 256 00:23:03,955 --> 00:23:05,445 more than in my eyes. 257 00:23:11,261 --> 00:23:16,233 I don't believe that things they enter my eyes... 258 00:23:16,233 --> 00:23:22,505 they don't come in, they They come from within... 259 00:23:22,505 --> 00:23:25,074 They don't enter my eyes. 260 00:23:25,074 --> 00:23:26,774 Unfortunately, I am saying one thing 261 00:23:26,774 --> 00:23:30,905 which is not what they want to hear 262 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,815 The eye sees... 263 00:23:33,815 --> 00:23:40,890 the memories revive the things... 264 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:45,260 and the imagination sees through... 265 00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:47,461 transfigures the world... 266 00:23:47,461 --> 00:23:48,763 create another world... 267 00:23:48,763 --> 00:23:51,499 for the poet and the artist in general. 268 00:23:51,499 --> 00:23:54,268 Transfiguration is the thing... 269 00:23:54,268 --> 00:23:56,536 most important for the artist. 270 00:23:56,536 --> 00:24:01,040 It's not like the eyes... 271 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,210 When we say that the eyes They are the window to the soul... 272 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:06,579 we are suggesting, in a way... 273 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:08,649 that the eyes are passive... 274 00:24:08,649 --> 00:24:09,982 and things simply, they enter. 275 00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:13,051 But the soul and the imagination come out. 276 00:24:13,051 --> 00:24:16,422 What we see is continually modified... 277 00:24:16,422 --> 00:24:18,123 for our knowledge, for our hope... 278 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,259 for our wishes, for our emotions... 279 00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:24,389 for culture, for theories recent sciences. 280 00:24:25,564 --> 00:24:28,532 I think... 281 00:24:30,801 --> 00:24:32,531 Look... 282 00:24:34,606 --> 00:24:37,075 When I see... 283 00:24:37,075 --> 00:24:39,710 The attracted iron by the magnet... 284 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:43,281 I see a magnetic field. 285 00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:46,416 I think this, in a way... 286 00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:48,886 penetrates our imagination 287 00:24:48,886 --> 00:24:52,689 I can see, in a certain sense... 288 00:24:52,689 --> 00:24:55,792 the invisible field around the magnet. 289 00:24:55,792 --> 00:24:58,961 I can't see, but I can see. 290 00:24:58,961 --> 00:25:01,796 I can see with the mind's eyes 291 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:20,816 My father's sister... 292 00:25:20,816 --> 00:25:25,753 my favorite aunt, I was blind. 293 00:25:25,753 --> 00:25:27,387 When I was little, I always tried... 294 00:25:27,387 --> 00:25:29,157 to run with eyes closed... 295 00:25:29,157 --> 00:25:33,393 because I wanted to know what it was like not to see. 296 00:25:33,393 --> 00:25:35,095 I wanted to check, how long... 297 00:25:35,095 --> 00:25:38,553 I could walk around the house without seeing 298 00:25:39,666 --> 00:25:42,303 I never managed to be more than half an hour. 299 00:25:42,303 --> 00:25:47,641 I couldn't stand it, I had to reopen your eyes. 300 00:25:47,641 --> 00:25:52,012 She lost her vision seven or eight years old... 301 00:25:52,012 --> 00:25:54,446 and I never saw anything again. 302 00:25:54,446 --> 00:25:57,951 I couldn't imagine what it was like not to see. 303 00:25:57,951 --> 00:26:01,408 I was very worried about that. when I was a child. 304 00:26:10,261 --> 00:26:13,531 You're going to turn on the first to the left now. 305 00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:15,967 "Arnaldo, how are you?" watching the road... 306 00:26:15,967 --> 00:26:19,302 if you don't see? 307 00:26:19,302 --> 00:26:22,170 You make a map in your head. 308 00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:28,779 I made a model from Belo Horizonte. 309 00:26:28,779 --> 00:26:30,547 Stop where you can, that way... 310 00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:32,743 we have to look for the girl that is in that building. 311 00:26:34,851 --> 00:26:35,852 You can see... 312 00:26:35,852 --> 00:26:39,088 I have to look for others reference points... 313 00:26:39,088 --> 00:26:44,254 downs, ups, turns, street noises... 314 00:26:45,294 --> 00:26:52,801 those are my signals, I go building those references. 315 00:26:52,801 --> 00:26:54,769 Do you remember what that square was like? formerly? 316 00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:58,172 Yes, I have the design of her in my head. 317 00:26:58,172 --> 00:26:59,908 It's a square. 318 00:26:59,908 --> 00:27:01,744 Surrounded by buildings old... 319 00:27:01,744 --> 00:27:03,611 from the time that was founded the city. 320 00:27:03,611 --> 00:27:06,546 Niemeyer's building in the corner... 321 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:10,485 at the bottom of it, the Freedom Palace... 322 00:27:10,485 --> 00:27:11,852 the Government Palace. 323 00:27:11,852 --> 00:27:17,291 On the other side, a building... 324 00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:19,885 where is the "Xod�", which is an ice cream parlor. 325 00:27:22,562 --> 00:27:25,932 I was born with retinitis pigmentosa... 326 00:27:25,932 --> 00:27:30,837 and around 17, 18, 19 years old... 327 00:27:30,837 --> 00:27:32,938 I went totally blind. 328 00:27:32,938 --> 00:27:35,375 The first difficulty is accept blindness. 329 00:27:35,375 --> 00:27:38,443 That was a difficult process. 330 00:27:38,443 --> 00:27:45,451 It became easier for me, I lived in my grandmother's house. 331 00:27:45,451 --> 00:27:46,853 where there were forty people... 332 00:27:46,853 --> 00:27:49,654 grandfather, grandmother, with ten children... 333 00:27:49,654 --> 00:27:52,557 and we, all the grandchildren. 334 00:27:52,557 --> 00:27:59,264 That helped me against overprotection of my parents. 335 00:27:59,264 --> 00:28:04,603 There were no conditions of give more attention... 336 00:28:04,603 --> 00:28:06,337 to one or another... 337 00:28:06,337 --> 00:28:08,638 because there were many of us. 338 00:28:08,638 --> 00:28:10,540 Fifty people for have lunch every day... 339 00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:14,636 we had to fight, fight to survive. 340 00:28:16,479 --> 00:28:18,947 When I was born a long time ago... 341 00:28:18,947 --> 00:28:21,952 that my dad I didn't see anything. 342 00:28:21,952 --> 00:28:25,155 he was already accustomed. 343 00:28:25,155 --> 00:28:34,663 I don't remember any moment difficult 344 00:28:34,663 --> 00:28:38,534 I never thought it would be difficult 345 00:28:38,534 --> 00:28:46,838 I don't remember my parents having some attitude... 346 00:28:49,878 --> 00:28:52,647 that distinguished me... 347 00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:55,182 of my seven brothers. 348 00:28:55,182 --> 00:28:56,550 I don't remember... 349 00:28:56,550 --> 00:28:59,186 they didn't give me treatment special... 350 00:28:59,186 --> 00:29:03,057 or because so they understood... 351 00:29:03,057 --> 00:29:07,595 or because it was impossible. My father earned very little. 352 00:29:07,595 --> 00:29:12,131 Instead of believing that that was a problem... 353 00:29:12,131 --> 00:29:15,235 we wanted to take my dad to school... 354 00:29:15,235 --> 00:29:17,670 so that everyone knew to my father 355 00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:19,940 We were proud of him. 356 00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:23,474 �Friends, you have to meet my dad! My dad doesn't see. 357 00:29:23,474 --> 00:29:29,547 It was an advantage in relation to the other girls. 358 00:29:29,547 --> 00:29:32,917 My father knows, I took him to school several times... 359 00:29:32,917 --> 00:29:36,521 to try with everyone that he didn't really see. 360 00:29:36,521 --> 00:29:40,490 Besides that, They punished me the same... 361 00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:42,160 than my other brothers. 362 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,030 I ran errands like the others... 363 00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:50,000 my uncles asked me: "Do this... 364 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,367 "Go buy cigarettes." 365 00:29:54,272 --> 00:29:57,341 And I made mischief with my twenty other cousins... 366 00:29:57,341 --> 00:30:01,044 of the same age, It was crazy. 367 00:30:01,044 --> 00:30:04,313 When I started reading... 368 00:30:04,313 --> 00:30:08,617 I had to read him. 369 00:30:08,617 --> 00:30:09,885 There was no way that he read to me. 370 00:30:09,885 --> 00:30:12,622 So I had that stimulus. 371 00:30:12,622 --> 00:30:14,953 It was different from the other people. 372 00:30:15,991 --> 00:30:21,096 Always telling that I was seeing and knowing. 373 00:30:21,096 --> 00:30:23,733 My girls learned to eat quickly... 374 00:30:23,733 --> 00:30:24,833 because I fed... 375 00:30:24,833 --> 00:30:27,836 Bety taught classes, I fed Madalena... 376 00:30:27,836 --> 00:30:31,239 I put rice in his ear, in the hair. 377 00:30:31,239 --> 00:30:35,709 Then, he put the plate on the floor, she did a lot of plastering. 378 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:39,247 I learned to eat quickly, and to talk too. 379 00:30:39,247 --> 00:30:44,148 She pointed something out to me, and I didn't know what it was. 380 00:30:50,858 --> 00:30:56,996 There is a story with my dad, I know because he told me... 381 00:30:56,996 --> 00:30:59,598 and told for my mom, twenty years later. 382 00:30:59,598 --> 00:31:03,403 When I was little, a year old, a baby... 383 00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:06,806 He was in the sea with me. A wave came... 384 00:31:06,806 --> 00:31:10,475 and this one pulled me to the side, and he went to the other. 385 00:31:10,475 --> 00:31:12,010 He was lost on the beach... 386 00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:15,814 there was no one, where is my daughter? 387 00:31:15,814 --> 00:31:17,582 Jesus, what a terrible moment. 388 00:31:17,582 --> 00:31:21,185 It was at dusk, there was nothing around. 389 00:31:21,185 --> 00:31:23,188 Luckily I managed see the contrasts... 390 00:31:23,188 --> 00:31:30,126 the water was milky... 391 00:31:30,126 --> 00:31:36,099 and my daughter turns very dark by the sun, almost black. 392 00:31:36,099 --> 00:31:40,302 I was there looking, stopped... 393 00:31:40,302 --> 00:31:43,474 when a black thing happened in the water, in the milky water... 394 00:31:43,474 --> 00:31:44,805 I stretched out my hand, and it was her... 395 00:31:46,376 --> 00:31:49,814 For that reason, my white hair. 396 00:31:49,814 --> 00:31:55,752 A century of anguish ten or twenty seconds. 397 00:32:06,562 --> 00:32:09,564 I dream of images... 398 00:32:09,564 --> 00:32:14,735 Every place I go I ask What color is it? 399 00:32:14,735 --> 00:32:17,739 and then sleep. I have erotic dreams... 400 00:32:17,739 --> 00:32:23,344 I dream of women, with images... 401 00:32:23,344 --> 00:32:29,112 I have normal dreams, like yours. 402 00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:41,428 Now, in sexual life, my emotional relationship with women. 403 00:32:41,428 --> 00:32:43,462 I think I have the same ones difficulties... 404 00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:49,667 that we all have, fear, and that, isn't it? 405 00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:52,604 But in bed, in the act itself. 406 00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:56,941 I don't have any problem. Don't have. 407 00:32:56,941 --> 00:33:01,345 Don't you think it's necessary to see? 408 00:33:01,345 --> 00:33:03,247 No, really... 409 00:33:05,518 --> 00:33:11,022 I mean, it's with the hands, the touch... 410 00:33:11,022 --> 00:33:16,261 to my partner always he likes... 411 00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:21,932 because I explore a lot with your hands. 412 00:33:21,932 --> 00:33:27,335 And in the dark... 413 00:33:29,505 --> 00:33:32,443 I ask him to her: 414 00:33:32,443 --> 00:33:36,678 "You want with light or without light?"... 415 00:33:36,678 --> 00:33:40,316 and always prefers with light off... 416 00:33:40,316 --> 00:33:43,051 prefers to be in the same situation... 417 00:33:43,051 --> 00:33:44,644 most of the time. 418 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,949 I can look at you. 419 00:34:15,949 --> 00:34:18,985 You probably see that I'm looking at you. 420 00:34:18,985 --> 00:34:21,954 Before, when I looked to a person... 421 00:34:21,954 --> 00:34:23,957 she always gave turned around, and said... 422 00:34:23,957 --> 00:34:25,860 "Who are you with?" talking?" 423 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:29,294 And that was very, very unpleasant. 424 00:34:29,294 --> 00:34:32,965 You don't get that contact with people. 425 00:34:32,965 --> 00:34:35,568 I remember my mother looking at me... 426 00:34:35,568 --> 00:34:40,771 always with a look very depressed and sad. 427 00:34:40,771 --> 00:34:45,376 Looking at me, but I don't know communicated with me... 428 00:34:45,376 --> 00:34:47,212 He looked through me. 429 00:34:47,212 --> 00:34:50,914 "Oh, my poor girl. Oh, how horrible." 430 00:34:50,914 --> 00:34:58,989 That affected me, It was a failure... 431 00:34:58,989 --> 00:35:02,058 because my mom looked at me that way. 432 00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:05,930 But I was determined not to fail... 433 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:10,034 to react, to do whatever was necessary... 434 00:35:10,034 --> 00:35:12,435 to choose a profession where there was... 435 00:35:12,435 --> 00:35:14,904 something different of the others... 436 00:35:14,904 --> 00:35:19,676 where I could transform those ashes... 437 00:35:19,676 --> 00:35:21,974 in a jewel 438 00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:25,944 439 00:35:37,725 --> 00:35:38,826 "Many Happy Returns"... 440 00:35:38,826 --> 00:35:43,964 it's about trauma of being deformed... 441 00:35:43,964 --> 00:35:47,835 but i really I made the movie... 442 00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:54,374 for another reason. In this movie... 443 00:35:54,374 --> 00:35:58,912 evil is done psychologically to the child... 444 00:35:58,912 --> 00:36:02,583 for having seen things... 445 00:36:02,583 --> 00:36:06,852 difficult and traumatic... 446 00:36:06,852 --> 00:36:12,257 and vision is damaged somehow. 447 00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:14,894 The film is about much more about... 448 00:36:14,894 --> 00:36:16,918 this about the deformity. 449 00:36:44,388 --> 00:36:47,390 I wanted to be a princess like my colleagues... 450 00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:51,228 and play the role princess main... 451 00:36:51,228 --> 00:36:52,829 in the piece from school. 452 00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:57,733 But I was never chosen to be a princess 453 00:36:57,733 --> 00:37:01,170 Once my role It was the king's. 454 00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:04,006 I spent most of it of time on stage. 455 00:37:04,006 --> 00:37:06,843 Under a gray cloth. 456 00:37:06,843 --> 00:37:09,912 Transformed into a stone. 457 00:37:09,912 --> 00:37:15,083 At the end of the piece, when the spell was broken... 458 00:37:15,083 --> 00:37:19,287 I got up and could be king again... 459 00:37:19,287 --> 00:37:22,891 for about two minutes, and that It was the end of the piece. 460 00:37:22,891 --> 00:37:25,159 That was my role. 461 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,264 So, after a while... 462 00:37:30,264 --> 00:37:33,868 I didn't want to be more the main actress. 463 00:37:33,868 --> 00:37:37,270 I started imagining things. 464 00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:40,507 And since I'm a filmmaker... 465 00:37:40,507 --> 00:37:43,876 I make animated films... 466 00:37:43,876 --> 00:37:46,313 and I do all the paperwork... 467 00:37:46,313 --> 00:37:52,252 Well, I handle the puppets, I project the characters. 468 00:37:52,252 --> 00:37:54,854 So I play the roles of all the characters. 469 00:37:54,854 --> 00:37:59,425 I finally got the role of the princess... 470 00:37:59,425 --> 00:38:02,725 that I always wanted do at school. 471 00:38:04,029 --> 00:38:06,131 What exactly is it? the word? 472 00:38:06,131 --> 00:38:08,901 The paradox of all that is... 473 00:38:08,901 --> 00:38:13,404 that the last time they operated my eye quite successfully... 474 00:38:13,404 --> 00:38:18,575 the defect was corrected and nobody noticed. 475 00:38:18,575 --> 00:38:21,145 no one said "What happened to your eye?" 476 00:38:21,145 --> 00:38:23,380 "How wonderful." 477 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:26,951 So all that trauma, what was it for? 478 00:38:26,951 --> 00:38:29,653 It's my internal pain. 479 00:38:29,653 --> 00:38:33,224 I think that's what I also try to talk... 480 00:38:33,224 --> 00:38:34,357 in the movie... 481 00:38:34,357 --> 00:38:37,260 that the real pain It wasn't losing an eye... 482 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:38,829 and be deformed... 483 00:38:38,829 --> 00:38:45,167 with a face like a prune... 484 00:38:45,167 --> 00:38:50,239 be ugly and cross-eyed... 485 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,172 and that no one knows would notice me. 486 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:56,038 Tragic, isn't it? 487 00:39:07,623 --> 00:39:11,860 488 00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:14,528 When you ask if there are moments... 489 00:39:14,528 --> 00:39:17,232 in which I do the different things... 490 00:39:17,232 --> 00:39:20,934 I remember when I was filming "Jacquot of Nantes"... 491 00:39:20,934 --> 00:39:25,472 known as "Jacquot" in other countries... 492 00:39:25,472 --> 00:39:30,710 about childhood and adolescence from Jacques Demy, my husband. 493 00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:33,846 That as a child They called Jacquot. 494 00:39:33,846 --> 00:39:35,948 I was doing the movie about... 495 00:39:35,948 --> 00:39:37,849 the story that He told me. 496 00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:39,851 And he was there witnessing... 497 00:39:39,851 --> 00:39:42,822 the films of himself when I was a child... 498 00:39:42,822 --> 00:39:44,990 the films made in the garage in Nantes... 499 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:47,293 where he grew up, in the actual premises. 500 00:39:47,293 --> 00:39:51,227 I used an Ercsom camera. 501 00:39:54,666 --> 00:39:56,497 It worked frame by frame. 502 00:40:04,675 --> 00:40:06,744 I remember thinking... 503 00:40:06,744 --> 00:40:11,015 make all this fiction about Jacques... 504 00:40:11,015 --> 00:40:13,082 and Jacques was there, alive... 505 00:40:13,082 --> 00:40:16,252 and maybe he wouldn't live for much longer... 506 00:40:16,252 --> 00:40:18,787 because he was sick. 507 00:40:18,787 --> 00:40:20,190 And I thought that... 508 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:23,259 what would be possible... 509 00:40:23,259 --> 00:40:25,227 do for someone... 510 00:40:25,227 --> 00:40:29,032 Ah! Being very close... 511 00:40:29,032 --> 00:40:34,269 as close as possible to someone who suffered and felt pain. 512 00:40:34,269 --> 00:40:37,439 And as a filmmaker, being close is close. 513 00:40:37,439 --> 00:40:41,777 While people could see his face... 514 00:40:41,777 --> 00:40:43,345 arms and hands... 515 00:40:43,345 --> 00:40:46,882 what was nothing especially intimate... 516 00:40:46,882 --> 00:40:49,785 I mean, like I was bathing at home. 517 00:40:49,785 --> 00:40:52,320 Despite that, the way I film... 518 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,324 his arms, hands and face... 519 00:40:55,324 --> 00:41:00,795 up close, very close, the texture of that man. 520 00:41:00,795 --> 00:41:05,365 His skin can be seen every hair... 521 00:41:05,365 --> 00:41:09,495 as if we were inside your skin, very close. 522 00:41:11,104 --> 00:41:12,873 I think only I had that vision... 523 00:41:12,873 --> 00:41:15,976 because I had afraid of losing it. 524 00:41:15,976 --> 00:41:19,379 And I lost it. He died. 525 00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:21,947 Maybe six months later of the filming. 526 00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:24,917 527 00:42:03,819 --> 00:42:06,155 I think none another person... 528 00:42:06,155 --> 00:42:09,191 I would get the frame, exactly like I did. 529 00:42:09,191 --> 00:42:10,760 Once again... 530 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,229 vision is influenced for feelings... 531 00:42:14,229 --> 00:42:15,629 strong feelings. 532 00:42:39,821 --> 00:42:45,226 We are all creatures emotional. 533 00:42:45,226 --> 00:42:48,728 And I think that all our perception... 534 00:42:48,728 --> 00:42:50,998 all our sensations and experiences... 535 00:42:50,998 --> 00:42:53,733 They are full of emotion... 536 00:42:53,733 --> 00:42:55,634 personal emotion. 537 00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:01,006 And I think that, in a certain sense... 538 00:43:01,006 --> 00:43:05,577 the emotion is encoded with the image. 539 00:43:05,577 --> 00:43:07,205 Curiously... 540 00:43:08,414 --> 00:43:14,520 sometimes emotion can separate from the image. 541 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,989 The people who have this problem... 542 00:43:16,989 --> 00:43:19,825 called Capgras syndrome... 543 00:43:19,825 --> 00:43:22,658 They can't recognize... 544 00:43:24,095 --> 00:43:27,121 to the husband, to the wife, to the children... 545 00:43:28,432 --> 00:43:33,337 and they insist that they are being deceived. 546 00:43:33,337 --> 00:43:35,271 They say: "You are not my husband... 547 00:43:35,271 --> 00:43:38,041 you look like him, but you are an imitation... 548 00:43:38,041 --> 00:43:40,777 you have taken his place." 549 00:43:40,777 --> 00:43:43,813 It seems to happen... 550 00:43:43,813 --> 00:43:50,587 a lack of feeling, of affection and familiarity. 551 00:43:50,587 --> 00:43:52,422 There is a recognition visually... 552 00:43:52,422 --> 00:43:54,791 but not a recognition emotional... 553 00:43:54,791 --> 00:43:58,861 and in that situation the person comes into contradiction. 554 00:43:58,861 --> 00:44:02,097 They insist that They are being deceived... 555 00:44:02,097 --> 00:44:04,800 there is some trick... 556 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,602 That reinforces the idea... 557 00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:09,737 that the recognition visual, visual memory... 558 00:44:09,737 --> 00:44:11,407 and all forms of perception... 559 00:44:11,407 --> 00:44:14,841 is inseparably related to emotion. 560 00:44:14,841 --> 00:44:18,346 When the memory visual separates... 561 00:44:18,346 --> 00:44:21,041 of one's own emotion... 562 00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:26,148 there may be a serious nervous breakdown. 563 00:44:57,282 --> 00:44:59,350 What is the look? 564 00:44:59,350 --> 00:45:03,221 It is an interpretation. Everything we see... 565 00:45:03,221 --> 00:45:06,290 is influenced for our concepts... 566 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:08,460 and values. 567 00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:12,931 There are so many things, and sometimes... just one thing... 568 00:45:12,931 --> 00:45:15,133 Octavio Paz says: "Sometimes we pass in front of a wall... 569 00:45:15,133 --> 00:45:16,867 and we see that it is just a wall. 570 00:45:16,867 --> 00:45:19,904 One day that is shown differently... 571 00:45:19,904 --> 00:45:23,896 seems like a thing that we have never seen before." 572 00:45:37,187 --> 00:45:42,057 I went to the opera a lot in the Lisbon Theater... 573 00:45:42,057 --> 00:45:45,693 I always went to the chicken coop, and at the top... 574 00:45:45,693 --> 00:45:51,600 there was like a crown, that is, in the Royal box. 575 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,435 It started from the bottom and I was going all the way up... 576 00:45:53,435 --> 00:45:57,132 a golden crown huge. 577 00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:02,710 View from the side of the stage and the boxes... 578 00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:04,545 It was a magnificent crown. 579 00:46:04,545 --> 00:46:07,581 On the side where we were, it wasn't. 580 00:46:07,581 --> 00:46:12,319 It was made in four parts and inside, hollow... 581 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:14,989 covered in cobwebs and dust. 582 00:46:14,989 --> 00:46:18,391 It was a lesson, that I never forgot. 583 00:46:18,391 --> 00:46:20,626 I never forgot that lesson. 584 00:46:20,626 --> 00:46:24,397 To know things, you have to give them a spin... 585 00:46:24,397 --> 00:46:25,964 give them a full turn. 586 00:46:25,964 --> 00:46:29,869 For example, I see normally. 587 00:46:29,869 --> 00:46:34,340 I think it's normal for me, the view does not stop. 588 00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:35,642 I'm not wearing glasses... 589 00:46:35,642 --> 00:46:37,442 I can see that the view does not stop. 590 00:46:37,442 --> 00:46:38,710 This is how they are the things. 591 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:41,314 I'll let you ask the questions... 592 00:46:41,314 --> 00:46:45,918 before counting the things of my sight. 593 00:46:45,918 --> 00:46:49,587 - About what vision is. - You can count. 594 00:46:49,587 --> 00:46:51,623 Can I count? So, I'm going to tell... 595 00:46:51,623 --> 00:46:55,359 when I started go out with girls 596 00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:58,261 There was a game, in Canoe Street... 597 00:46:58,261 --> 00:47:01,965 we called it, "hidden marriage." 598 00:47:01,965 --> 00:47:03,234 Yes, hidden marriage. 599 00:47:03,234 --> 00:47:08,227 There were ten children here, and ten girls on the other side. 600 00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:13,343 All from around 9 � 10 years. 601 00:47:13,343 --> 00:47:15,145 They were all there. 602 00:47:15,145 --> 00:47:19,682 Every pretty girl, you can't imagine 603 00:47:19,682 --> 00:47:21,583 And my eyes were like that. 604 00:47:23,118 --> 00:47:24,420 Could you see them? 605 00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:30,925 Yes, my view for women improves a little. 606 00:47:30,925 --> 00:47:34,195 I can see better, you know. 607 00:47:34,195 --> 00:47:36,698 but the distance It was more or less since... 608 00:47:36,698 --> 00:47:39,901 here to where you are. 609 00:47:39,901 --> 00:47:44,439 I know when I look at the people... 610 00:47:44,439 --> 00:47:47,975 They don't know that I am looking. Who do I look at? 611 00:47:47,975 --> 00:47:50,011 That's an advantage for me... 612 00:47:50,011 --> 00:47:51,845 I was already lending attention to one of them... 613 00:47:51,845 --> 00:47:54,548 or three or four... 614 00:47:54,548 --> 00:47:59,052 but we always like one more than the others. 615 00:47:59,052 --> 00:48:00,687 I was looking at one, but my eye... 616 00:48:00,687 --> 00:48:02,923 I never fixed my gaze in none. 617 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,424 My eye wouldn't stop... 618 00:48:04,424 --> 00:48:09,762 there was always one or two that I liked. 619 00:48:09,762 --> 00:48:12,933 I don't know what the type of charisma that I have... 620 00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:15,735 Luckily, until today I have a lot of charisma. 621 00:48:15,735 --> 00:48:17,669 Then one of the girls said: 622 00:48:17,669 --> 00:48:20,505 "Me?" And another one too. 623 00:48:20,505 --> 00:48:23,341 So I said, yes, "you are yourself." 624 00:48:23,341 --> 00:48:25,543 And two or three came... 625 00:48:25,543 --> 00:48:28,679 I couldn't aim towards just one of them... 626 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,951 then two or three came, and I chose. 627 00:48:31,951 --> 00:48:34,019 It's you, come here. 628 00:48:34,019 --> 00:48:37,222 �The fact of having a different vision... 629 00:48:37,222 --> 00:48:39,591 it affected him in your personality? 630 00:48:39,591 --> 00:48:43,594 Nothing, I think it increased my personality... 631 00:48:43,594 --> 00:48:45,662 That happens when... 632 00:48:45,662 --> 00:48:53,437 you feel that something It is harming you. 633 00:48:53,437 --> 00:48:55,772 I never felt anything like that. 634 00:48:55,772 --> 00:48:58,842 My education... 635 00:48:58,842 --> 00:49:02,778 I grew up with that. 636 00:49:02,778 --> 00:49:05,213 I never felt the loss of vision... 637 00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:07,849 because I don't know how the others see. 638 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:09,977 I don't know how people they see me 639 00:49:14,723 --> 00:49:19,995 Travel by bus with this view is fantastic. 640 00:49:19,995 --> 00:49:21,630 Travel by bus It's fun. 641 00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:25,167 I sit there and see wonderful thing... 642 00:49:25,167 --> 00:49:27,235 that no one can see, only me 643 00:49:27,235 --> 00:49:30,670 everyone believes that I'm not seeing. 644 00:49:39,946 --> 00:49:43,650 The inner vision what do I have... 645 00:49:43,650 --> 00:49:48,954 is what most we develop. 646 00:49:48,954 --> 00:49:51,826 Of course, if the other It's not that good. 647 00:49:51,826 --> 00:49:56,363 There is this inner point here, that all of us... 648 00:49:56,363 --> 00:49:59,898 where all human beings we see more... 649 00:49:59,898 --> 00:50:02,202 It's right here. 650 00:50:02,202 --> 00:50:05,504 Where you see more. 651 00:50:05,504 --> 00:50:08,340 Where we hear more, it's not here... 652 00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:10,342 this is the technical part... 653 00:50:10,342 --> 00:50:12,945 here, the conventional things of the earth... 654 00:50:12,945 --> 00:50:15,947 This is where we hear more... 655 00:50:15,947 --> 00:50:19,751 where we never call, It's where we listen the most. 656 00:50:19,751 --> 00:50:24,388 So you can see when You hear something wonderful... 657 00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:30,060 no one does like that, one thing, everyone does it. 658 00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:31,829 Sometimes the vision... 659 00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:38,368 impairs interior vision. 660 00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:41,805 I remember when I was about 30 years old... 661 00:50:41,805 --> 00:50:46,375 I said in an interview, and the The press was very surprised. 662 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:50,179 They wanted to know if it was true, that I had asked God... 663 00:50:50,179 --> 00:50:54,949 to leave me a blind time... 664 00:50:54,949 --> 00:50:56,318 because there were others things I felt... 665 00:50:56,318 --> 00:50:58,420 that could develop more. 666 00:50:58,420 --> 00:51:02,523 Because seeing so many ugly things... 667 00:51:02,523 --> 00:51:04,659 we harm the correct vision... 668 00:51:04,659 --> 00:51:08,321 the vision of things that we want to do in life. 669 00:51:31,417 --> 00:51:34,012 I was in a restaurant in Lisbon... 670 00:51:35,054 --> 00:51:41,152 I was alone, and it occurred to me: 671 00:51:42,028 --> 00:51:44,964 "And if everyone Were we blind?" 672 00:51:44,964 --> 00:51:50,135 And practically after in the next second... 673 00:51:50,135 --> 00:51:54,639 I answered my own question: 674 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,309 "But, we are not all blind?" 675 00:51:57,309 --> 00:52:01,779 Blind of reason, blind of our feelings. 676 00:52:01,779 --> 00:52:06,716 Blind to everything that makes us a being... 677 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:14,258 reasonably functional in the sense of human relationship. 678 00:52:14,258 --> 00:52:15,925 On the contrary, a being... 679 00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:19,128 aggressive, violent, selfish... 680 00:52:19,128 --> 00:52:21,598 Yes, that's what we are. 681 00:52:21,598 --> 00:52:25,734 The spectacle that the world us offers, it is precisely... 682 00:52:25,734 --> 00:52:29,238 a world of inequality and suffering... 683 00:52:29,238 --> 00:52:32,609 without justification, and what is worse, with explanation. 684 00:52:32,609 --> 00:52:37,308 We can explain what is happening, but it has no justification. 685 00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,193 The image that most I need it... 686 00:52:53,193 --> 00:52:55,963 is the one that missing everyone... 687 00:52:55,963 --> 00:53:00,034 be able to look with your own eyes. 688 00:53:00,034 --> 00:53:02,302 People think they look at each other with the eyes... 689 00:53:02,302 --> 00:53:04,471 but like me, They need a mirror... 690 00:53:04,471 --> 00:53:06,840 only in my case the mirrors are different. 691 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,808 For me that too It's lucky... 692 00:53:09,808 --> 00:53:13,614 because I can't drown like this like the unhappy Narcissus. 693 00:53:13,614 --> 00:53:16,446 I am a Narcissus without a mirror, It's lucky. 694 00:53:19,685 --> 00:53:26,488 Eugen, I need to see if everything It's okay. 695 00:53:33,031 --> 00:53:36,200 I touched her. I touched his face... 696 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,602 like this, and looked at her closely... 697 00:53:38,602 --> 00:53:40,439 for you what do you see, I touched her... 698 00:53:40,439 --> 00:53:43,907 but for me, a little blind, I saw her up close. 699 00:53:43,907 --> 00:53:48,979 Then he took a photo of me, and when I received it... 700 00:53:48,979 --> 00:53:54,218 It seemed strange to me. First of all... 701 00:53:54,218 --> 00:53:57,287 for having put an owl on my shoulder. 702 00:53:57,287 --> 00:54:04,027 For example, when I was little my mother called me... 703 00:54:04,027 --> 00:54:07,997 "my little owl", why not I wanted to sleep at night. 704 00:54:07,997 --> 00:54:11,296 I wanted to live at night, and I still have that problem. 705 00:54:13,802 --> 00:54:15,272 It's something nocturnal... 706 00:54:15,272 --> 00:54:18,207 because he photographed Hannah in the dark... 707 00:54:18,207 --> 00:54:22,944 and then I put the owl Minerva, owl of Athens... 708 00:54:22,944 --> 00:54:27,248 to symbolize the wisdom... 709 00:54:27,248 --> 00:54:32,554 which is built in the darkness... 710 00:54:32,554 --> 00:54:37,257 in the world of owls, in the world of darkness. 711 00:54:37,257 --> 00:54:41,762 I was on the limit between being or not being me. 712 00:54:41,762 --> 00:54:43,632 This is very interesting. 713 00:54:43,632 --> 00:54:46,600 Well, he photographs... 714 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,004 the interior. 715 00:54:50,004 --> 00:54:51,631 Mental images. 716 00:55:00,512 --> 00:55:05,617 For me, language and images are related... 717 00:55:05,617 --> 00:55:06,752 the word is blind... 718 00:55:06,752 --> 00:55:10,522 but the word becomes visible. 719 00:55:10,522 --> 00:55:15,516 Thanks to the words it is that we have images. 720 00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:22,933 Today the image is created by herself. 721 00:55:22,933 --> 00:55:25,070 I think that It's very serious. 722 00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:28,606 There must be a balance between the word and the image. 723 00:55:28,606 --> 00:55:31,142 For example, Michelangelo I never saw Moses... 724 00:55:31,142 --> 00:55:33,777 did not follow him in Mount Sinai... 725 00:55:33,777 --> 00:55:38,716 I didn't see the decalogue thrown away in the golden calf... 726 00:55:38,716 --> 00:55:40,080 but he read the text. 727 00:55:42,085 --> 00:55:44,953 How's your handwriting, Hannah? 728 00:55:44,953 --> 00:55:49,526 It is typed, in this case. 729 00:55:49,526 --> 00:55:53,630 My handwriting is a little illegible. 730 00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:55,325 Write here, Hannah. 731 00:55:57,033 --> 00:56:00,400 - She's pretty! - I write Schygulla like this. 732 00:56:43,176 --> 00:56:46,479 I think we never lived so much... 733 00:56:46,479 --> 00:56:48,912 in Plato's cave, like today. 734 00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:53,744 Today we really live in Plato's cave. 735 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,091 The images themselves show reality. 736 00:57:00,091 --> 00:57:02,821 Somehow, They replace reality. 737 00:57:03,862 --> 00:57:10,135 We are in a world that We call the audiovisual world. 738 00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:14,706 In effect, we are repeating the situation... 739 00:57:14,706 --> 00:57:17,976 of imprisoned people... 740 00:57:17,976 --> 00:57:21,211 or tied to the Plato's Cavern... 741 00:57:21,211 --> 00:57:24,213 looking forward, seeing shadows... 742 00:57:24,213 --> 00:57:27,017 and believing that those shadows They are reality. 743 00:57:27,017 --> 00:57:31,351 It was necessary for them to pass centuries... 744 00:57:32,555 --> 00:57:36,160 for it to appear Plato's cave... 745 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,862 finally at a moment of the history of humanity. 746 00:57:40,862 --> 00:57:44,229 And it will be more and more. 747 00:57:57,579 --> 00:58:01,949 We see many things out of context. 748 00:58:01,949 --> 00:58:05,787 Most of the images that We see, they are out of context. 749 00:58:05,787 --> 00:58:07,321 Most images what do we see... 750 00:58:07,321 --> 00:58:12,026 They don't tell us anything, they try to sell us something. 751 00:58:12,026 --> 00:58:14,361 In reality, most of the things that... 752 00:58:14,361 --> 00:58:16,352 we see in the magazines, on television... 753 00:58:17,597 --> 00:58:19,258 They try to sell us something. 754 00:58:20,566 --> 00:58:22,836 But the need most basic human... 755 00:58:22,836 --> 00:58:26,872 is that things make sense. 756 00:58:26,872 --> 00:58:29,775 Like a child... 757 00:58:29,775 --> 00:58:33,644 who is going to sleep and wants to hear a story. 758 00:58:35,181 --> 00:58:37,583 It's not the story what matters... 759 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:40,286 If not, the act itself, to tell it... 760 00:58:40,286 --> 00:58:45,624 generates security and comfort. 761 00:58:45,624 --> 00:58:48,861 I think when we grow up... 762 00:58:48,861 --> 00:58:50,729 we continue to like it the comfort... 763 00:58:50,729 --> 00:58:52,864 and security, which history brings us. 764 00:58:52,864 --> 00:58:54,332 anyone who be the topic. 765 00:58:54,332 --> 00:58:57,859 The structure itself creates a meaning. 766 00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:02,406 And most of our life, it has no meaning. 767 00:59:02,406 --> 00:59:06,443 We are all looking for meaning. 768 00:59:06,443 --> 00:59:11,436 We may have in the future, about 500 television channels. 769 00:59:13,682 --> 00:59:15,753 That's really remarkable... 770 00:59:15,753 --> 00:59:19,556 let's say, from any point of view... 771 00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:22,024 of fun, information, culture... 772 00:59:22,024 --> 00:59:25,552 I can imagine though have some doubts. 773 00:59:26,963 --> 00:59:30,698 And I say, "it's very important"... 774 00:59:30,698 --> 00:59:33,936 but let's imagine that you receive in my house 500 newspapers... 775 00:59:33,936 --> 00:59:35,402 every day. 776 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,275 If I did something like that, People would think I was crazy. 777 00:59:40,275 --> 00:59:43,878 How can I read 500 newspapers every day? 778 00:59:43,878 --> 00:59:45,914 And what a conclusion bag of reading... 779 00:59:45,914 --> 00:59:49,283 of 500 newspapers every day? 780 00:59:49,283 --> 00:59:52,386 Of course, it's impossible. I don't have time for that. 781 00:59:52,386 --> 00:59:54,489 And I wouldn't get any benefit... 782 00:59:54,489 --> 00:59:56,854 If I received 500 newspapers per day. 783 00:59:59,625 --> 01:00:05,398 I think it's the same thing... 784 01:00:05,398 --> 01:00:09,035 with everything we have in excess nowadays. 785 01:00:09,035 --> 01:00:14,206 We have many things in excess today. 786 01:00:14,206 --> 01:00:16,708 And the only thing we don't have Enough, it's time. 787 01:00:16,708 --> 01:00:22,544 some of us have everything in excess. 788 01:00:23,715 --> 01:00:29,415 And have everything in excess, It means, having nothing. 789 01:00:30,422 --> 01:00:33,324 And the excess of images today means... 790 01:00:33,324 --> 01:00:41,866 that we don't get pay attention 791 01:00:41,866 --> 01:00:45,401 We can't get excited with the images. 792 01:00:45,401 --> 01:00:49,306 And today the images have to be extraordinary... 793 01:00:49,306 --> 01:00:50,406 to get excited... 794 01:00:50,406 --> 01:00:57,506 Well we don't get more than to see simple stories. 795 01:00:59,615 --> 01:01:01,350 We all live in a kind... 796 01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:06,055 from Luna Park audiovisual... 797 01:01:06,055 --> 01:01:09,858 where the sounds and the images multiply. 798 01:01:09,858 --> 01:01:13,428 More or less, I believe, this is going to happen. 799 01:01:13,428 --> 01:01:19,234 And we will feel more and more lost. 800 01:01:19,234 --> 01:01:21,702 First of all, lost ourselves. 801 01:01:22,738 --> 01:01:27,075 Secondly, lost in relationship to the world. 802 01:01:27,075 --> 01:01:28,476 We just drove there... 803 01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:31,947 without knowing who we are... 804 01:01:31,947 --> 01:01:34,949 nor what are we for... 805 01:01:34,949 --> 01:01:38,350 nor what is the meaning of existence. 806 01:01:51,564 --> 01:01:54,767 I have another example, also about Jacques Demy. 807 01:01:54,767 --> 01:01:57,137 In 1966 I made a documentary when he was filming... 808 01:02:00,774 --> 01:02:03,175 I found the images much later. 809 01:02:03,175 --> 01:02:06,508 There's a scene in a bar... 810 01:02:08,014 --> 01:02:11,413 Jacques had bought a new white sweater. 811 01:02:12,451 --> 01:02:17,155 Catherine Deneuve is in that bar, pretty as an angel, 812 01:02:17,155 --> 01:02:20,124 with a striped dress, pink and yellow. 813 01:02:20,124 --> 01:02:23,661 She was divine, 24 years old, a beauty 814 01:02:23,661 --> 01:02:25,662 And there is Jacques... 815 01:02:25,662 --> 01:02:29,132 very proud with his new sweater... 816 01:02:29,132 --> 01:02:32,868 removes the label and starts putting it on. 817 01:02:32,868 --> 01:02:35,506 Dress the sweater very slowly. 818 01:02:35,506 --> 01:02:38,175 I focus it... 819 01:02:38,175 --> 01:02:42,412 and after a while no one look at the beautiful Deneuve... 820 01:02:42,412 --> 01:02:45,816 you only look at the man wearing the sweater... 821 01:02:45,816 --> 01:02:49,585 so slowly, which becomes fun. 822 01:02:49,585 --> 01:02:52,348 I remember that in the narration I said... 823 01:02:53,322 --> 01:02:57,859 that no journalist or reporter... 824 01:02:57,859 --> 01:03:00,829 I could film... 825 01:03:00,829 --> 01:03:04,833 to my dear, wearing the sweater. 826 01:03:04,833 --> 01:03:08,302 Just me. Nobody would stay there to see that. 827 01:03:08,302 --> 01:03:13,040 He does this and that and this, without stopping. 828 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,445 Seeing those images, Now that he's gone... 829 01:03:18,445 --> 01:03:23,151 I remember that he made me angry because it was very slow. 830 01:03:23,151 --> 01:03:27,287 Now I totally forgive him... 831 01:03:27,287 --> 01:03:29,489 because now that It's in a picture... 832 01:03:29,489 --> 01:03:31,691 and people see how slow it was. 833 01:03:31,691 --> 01:03:35,394 They smile because in a way it's funny. 834 01:03:35,394 --> 01:03:37,596 Because we forget from Catherine... 835 01:03:37,596 --> 01:03:40,066 and we just look the sweater 836 01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:44,403 I think only me that I loved him... 837 01:03:44,403 --> 01:03:46,638 there could be filmed this image. 838 01:03:46,638 --> 01:03:51,209 So the change is not the fact of being sick or blind. 839 01:03:51,209 --> 01:03:52,844 I think it's ours feeling... 840 01:03:52,844 --> 01:03:57,283 our position at the moment that we watch or film. 841 01:03:57,283 --> 01:04:02,320 Our relationship is connection with the matter, the person... 842 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,723 or the time of our lives, Don't you think? 843 01:04:05,723 --> 01:04:07,893 It was a family film... 844 01:04:07,893 --> 01:04:10,725 Rosalie was radiant there... 845 01:04:13,097 --> 01:04:16,157 Just like my dear mother so worried about disturbing. 846 01:04:16,934 --> 01:04:20,770 Only I could film to my love dressing... 847 01:04:20,770 --> 01:04:22,703 with its rhythm so special. 848 01:04:24,306 --> 01:04:27,210 849 01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:29,177 850 01:05:04,344 --> 01:05:07,380 Isn't there anything simpler? 851 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,917 Despite that, to get to that? 852 01:05:10,917 --> 01:05:17,550 To this reduction of the tragic, of the announcement of the tragic. 853 01:05:18,658 --> 01:05:22,662 I think Beethoven must have suffered a lot to get there. 854 01:05:22,662 --> 01:05:28,134 But he got that synthesis. 855 01:05:28,134 --> 01:05:30,536 It is simple and it is not. 856 01:05:30,536 --> 01:05:35,373 What simplicity is not carelessness, it is not. 857 01:05:35,373 --> 01:05:38,610 The simple, the noun. 858 01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:42,547 The only thing What could it be? 859 01:05:42,547 --> 01:05:45,607 It is that, the irreducible. 860 01:05:47,652 --> 01:05:49,620 That's what I call simple. 861 01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:56,355 I think that's where it is a bit my idea of beauty. 862 01:06:22,585 --> 01:06:24,074 I was a moment ago looking at the plants... 863 01:06:25,454 --> 01:06:28,785 above all, accompanying its growth. 864 01:06:30,391 --> 01:06:34,962 This concern of mine with that which grows... 865 01:06:34,962 --> 01:06:37,796 in this case, the plants... 866 01:06:38,967 --> 01:06:45,105 and what happens to them, the flower, the fruit... 867 01:06:45,105 --> 01:06:48,876 if they are sick... 868 01:06:48,876 --> 01:06:50,544 If they have any pest... 869 01:06:50,544 --> 01:06:53,944 If you have something, anything... 870 01:06:55,482 --> 01:06:58,918 that particular attention... 871 01:06:58,918 --> 01:07:03,089 to the growth of trees, or plants, in general... 872 01:07:03,089 --> 01:07:04,856 deep down, perhaps, have another... 873 01:07:04,856 --> 01:07:07,256 reason there was no thinking before. 874 01:07:08,361 --> 01:07:11,797 It's like, well, I'm 77 years old... 875 01:07:11,797 --> 01:07:15,466 my life is close to the end... 876 01:07:15,466 --> 01:07:17,904 it's as if I had need... 877 01:07:17,904 --> 01:07:26,010 to attend, see what is starting... 878 01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:28,647 what will grow. 879 01:07:28,647 --> 01:07:34,552 I go down to see the garden, just to be... 880 01:07:34,552 --> 01:07:35,886 and sometimes even... 881 01:07:35,886 --> 01:07:39,122 I wouldn't say talk, because they don't respond... 882 01:07:39,122 --> 01:07:42,158 but comment, more or less out loud... 883 01:07:42,158 --> 01:07:46,397 how are they, if they have good look, it's one thing... 884 01:07:46,397 --> 01:07:52,391 a little pathetic, it's a little ridiculous, but anyway... 885 01:07:55,804 --> 01:07:57,239 Strength! Be strong! 886 01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:01,835 Here comes Gabriel. The little hands forward. 887 01:08:31,071 --> 01:08:32,800 Raymunda, look here. 888 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:45,462 WINDOW OF THE SOUL 889 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,000 sexandthebici.blogspot.com